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Sarah Palin

One warning to the Republicans on my flist--this is very anti-Republican. And as such, skewed in favor of Democrats. Feel free to pass this by. You're not likely to convince me not to be annoyed by this situation.

I've kept quiet about the elections for the most part, but after listening to NPR today, I had to say this. Already said it in a comment, though there's more here...

I have so many issues with this woman, but my main issue is that she's Republican. The party of White middle-to-upper-class men. And anyone who doesn't fit that image but still wants to vote for them had better sit down and shut up and just come along for the ride. They think nothing of a family with a disabled kid because the wife is the one who has to take care of it (in their view), and therefore it wouldn't be an issue for a candidate, right?

Granted, that's a very narrow view, but look at how many Republicans are non-whites or women.

Which isn't to say that a Democrat would have a much easier time of it if she ended up having a Downs baby, but honestly? I think she'd be far more realistic about it, she'd have more support from friends and family, and quite possibly would retire from office given the responsibility it would take.

I do admit, for all I know, her husband will be the one to take care of the child. But in even a modern-day Republican family, that still feels (to me) like too much to expect.

And if Palin can't see how much work having a Down Syndrome child will be, which she doesn't seem to, because she keeps saying how it will be no issue, she certainly has no right ever being Vice President.

And then there is her daughter. Leaving her daughter's choices in this aside, it's quite obvious that Palin wasn't available to be there during a time when she should have obviously been talking to her about these sorts of choices. I'm not talking about whether they were the right choices or not. But I can't believe that Palin or McCain, or indeed, any Republican could really think this makes her look good. To me, all I see is a woman who chose between politics and her family. And her family lost.

Even if I were a Republican, I couldn't see voting for her. She's not groundbreaking. She's a mess.


Sep. 3rd, 2008 12:33 am (UTC)
See icon, kthnx.
Sep. 3rd, 2008 12:48 am (UTC)
Yes, I do love that icon of yours... :D
Sep. 3rd, 2008 04:49 am (UTC)
To be honest, I can't see why she should choose her family. No male politicians are asked to make that choice, and I think it expresses an old-fashioned opinion. It might be that one, no matter gender, should take the right decision and actually care for the children one gets instead of pursuing careers that aren't compatible with having children, but that's another story.

When that's said, I'd prefer the woman and the man she's supposed to be VP for kindly buggered off to ruin something else than the future of US. And if they'd care to cancel the Republican Party on the way, I'd be fine with that too.

Plz let's get someone with an actual brain as president this time. One who isn't flattered by the Danish psychopath PM sucking up to him, preferably.
Sep. 3rd, 2008 08:17 am (UTC)
No, men aren't expected to make that choice. They don't have to. It's quite gross, really. But when you're part of the Republican party, it's going to come up sooner or later.

My problem with her isn't that she's a woman. It's that she seems to have been unfurled like this banner by a party that, frankly, won't support her when the chips are down.

And that she seems totally irrational and irresponsible. I wouldn't accept it in a man, either.

I say yay for someone with a brain. That would make me incredibly happy. :D
Sep. 3rd, 2008 12:22 pm (UTC)
Politician and brain...

Surely those are mutually exclusive concepts? The two certainly never come together in British politics.
Sep. 3rd, 2008 09:16 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, I think that's true everywhere.
Sep. 3rd, 2008 07:49 am (UTC)
Here here

(and I better not say much more, but I do agree with you about her)
Sep. 3rd, 2008 08:18 am (UTC)
Sep. 3rd, 2008 08:55 am (UTC)
"No male politicians are asked to make that choice, and I think it expresses an old-fashioned opinion."
I think that is Elf's point. I don't want to put words in your mouth, Elf, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you were saying that in terms of how the Rep. party tends to run itself.

This feels off somehow, this new seemingly open-minded, accepting attitude of the party. To me it feels like I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. Something just feels really off to me about the whole situation.
Sep. 3rd, 2008 09:02 am (UTC)
Yeah, that was what I was trying to say, really.

And this "open-minded" attitude is probably because it comes from one of the more "liberal" (and I use that term very widely here) members of this part, in an attempt to garner the women's vote--and it appears to be working to some degree, which is making me want to tear out my hair.

No woman should feel she has to vote for a woman simply because she is a woman, and that seems to be what some "feminists" seem to want to argue. And were arguing a few months back...

This isn't about whether they're women, and I'm not going to stop calling myself a feminist just because I like someone else for the job. And if some want to attack me for that, that's just fine. I'm rather happy with my choice at the moment. It's not perfect, but it's better than voting for someone who wants us all to be just like her, except quiet and pregnant at home.
Sep. 3rd, 2008 11:35 am (UTC)
Her saying there will be no problem with her child makes me wonder does she have a nanny and other staff? If so, this puts her out of touch with reality on many levels. The pregnant teen makes her really not an option for the hardliners in the Republican (six tries to spell it right) party. The "potential" replacement for her had me twitching.

Having grown up in places where there seemed to be only one party and that the ultra-conservative one, I just giggled over her being chosen. How many of my relatives are having a tail spin at the very idea of a woman VP candidate *chortles*
I couldn't see voting for her. She's not groundbreaking. She's a mess. *head/nods*

I do want to know, since McCain kissed his potential VP on the cheek, will Obama be doing the same to Biden? Exquality and all that. (slaps self)
yes, I thought that photo op was demeaning and am still growling about it.

Sep. 3rd, 2008 09:25 pm (UTC)
*nods* There's been so much about this whole race that has left me twitching, but this only seems to make it worse. I honestly can't say which annoys me more. The fact that she's a Republican, or the fact that people seem to think having her on the ticket is progressive.
Sep. 3rd, 2008 09:40 pm (UTC)
I saw a headling/quote from her off of AP saying the Iraq war is a task from God. I may have beat the computer over that one.
I have trouble seeing "an average hockey mom" as vice presidential material.

I can keep going on with my issues, but I think we are in agreement on her suitability for office.

If you have not read "Get Stuffed" by [info]dianamoon, please give it a shot. It is a Snupin and very well written. I just finished reading it and almost fell out of my chair laughing at some points in the fic. (hint, Sev likes the view when he is forced to spend time looking at Ree's arse) :D
Sep. 3rd, 2008 04:20 pm (UTC)
Palin's teen daughter is pregnant? I'm behind in my news. That said, I'm not sure that a man would be taken to task for not being there for his daughter should she come up pregnant, either. I think it's unfair to Palin as a person and, possibly, as a mother, to blame her for her child's choices; lots of devoted mothers, working and not, end up with pregnant daughters. She doesn't sound like a mess; she sounds like the rest of us.

And no, I'm not a Republican; I'm an independent who despises party politics.

*goes to read up on the situation*
Sep. 3rd, 2008 09:28 pm (UTC)
No, but I think he should be. I don't think she should be let off because no man has. I think we should have higher standards for both, not lower standards for her because men haven't been. Surely that can't be a wrong thing to think?

As I said, I have many issues with her. This is just the latest one. And I've only even known of her existence since Friday.
Sep. 3rd, 2008 11:21 pm (UTC)
I'm not your girl for telling people it's wrong to think things; for myself, I am not sure that I'd blame a father for his daughter coming up pregnant, either. I know that parental neglect can have an adverse affect on children, but I know nothing of this situation that would imply such is the case here. I hope that girl gets the support she needs, and that her parents help to keep her out of the papers because this is just no one's business.
Sep. 4th, 2008 12:22 am (UTC)
I've been reading about Palin some more today, and I came across an article that I think you'll find interesting; there is a lot of rant-worthy stuff in it.

The bit about the librarian was especially disturbing to me, but certainly not the only thing. o.O
Sep. 4th, 2008 12:25 am (UTC)
Yeah, I've come across a number of things today that just really scare me about her. Though the librarian one is pretty bad on its own.

If I were a more articulate person when it came to making my point, I'd do a little parable about the first Native VP (Yeah, we've had one) and the "good" he did for his people...

She strikes me as being very much in the same mold, if not worse.
Sep. 4th, 2008 12:32 am (UTC)
Charles Curtis was a piece of shit, and no mistake. *sighs*
Sep. 4th, 2008 12:33 am (UTC)
Sep. 4th, 2008 08:58 am (UTC)
Maybe I didn't research enough, but I didn't find much about him that seemed overly shocking. Granted, Wikipedia was where I looked, and they are dubious at best in their accuracy. According to them he supported a 5 day work week with no reduction in pay among some other somewhat progressive ideas. Just because he was Hoover's VP doesn't necessarily mean he gets the blame for the actions of Hoover at the start of the Depression...BTW, I didn't know we'd had a Native VP before. Funny they don't teach you that in school...
Sep. 4th, 2008 09:02 am (UTC)
No, he was quite nasty--to his own people. He supported the Indian relocations, and taking away his own tribe's right to be a tribe.

And he also kept it very quiet that he was Native.
Sep. 3rd, 2008 10:44 pm (UTC)
The latest word is that neither Gov. Palin nor her husband are the primary caretakers of the new baby. He's cared for by:

(wait for it)

Bristol Palin, the pregnant seventeen year old, and Todd Palin's mother.

So...basically, Bristol Palin has been out of school for several months with mono, but is still considered competent to care for a special needs baby. Even better, she's pregnant *herself* and is still caring for a special needs baby. I wonder if she'll be expected to continue this in the public eye, or if she'll be quietly retired to the background once she's safely married off and is big enough that her belly won't look good on camera?

And oh, the mother-in-law ran for Wasilla and lost because Sarah Palin wouldn't endorse her. She's pro-choice, you see, so regardless of qualifications or family ties, she's not worth her daughter-in-law's endorsement.

Nice family, this one.
Sep. 4th, 2008 12:16 am (UTC)
Just bleh.
Sep. 4th, 2008 02:42 am (UTC)
Very uneducated on this lady, but here's my bird's eye view:

She's meant to be a joke by the Republican party. They know McCain has a short shot in hell to win in this political environment. In fact the Republicans are simply attempting ("It's not about party it's about people" or whatever that line is)to avoid being taken out back, raped in the ass by men with large dicks, water-boarded, and shot.

So, they set up this falling-apart-at-the-seams, backwater, what'sherface, to say, "Look at what women in office can look like. This is why you won't attempt that again, huh? You easily frightened, brainwashed, and manipulated with shiny things American public, who has no attention span to go with your lack of brains."

Either that, or they're testing how fluffy and tree-huggy we've gotten. "They're all yogurt and granola now, so that means they'll just looooove a bleeding heart case." Which is also a joke.

So yeah. They're having a lot of fun while they play "pretend we matter in this election."

Just sayin.

Sep. 4th, 2008 09:02 am (UTC)
Do you think Palin knows this? Cuz that is sad either way I suppose...She's either being used, or doesn't care about herself as a woman enough to not partake in this sham. It's weird, every time they show the country with the colors for each state and who they support, McCain's color is on more of the country and Obama's. It looks like as of now, McCain still has more support. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what happens...
Sep. 4th, 2008 09:05 am (UTC)
I'm sure she has some clue. She's not an idiot. Just willing to let them use her.

That always happens with National conventions. Whichever is going on at the time has more support--because they're who are in the news. The real interest will be during the debates.
Sep. 4th, 2008 01:18 pm (UTC)
Well, this is all super good for her career. No matter how stupid she looks doing it, press is press.

Also, it helps her get funding to her state. The publicity makes the lower states realize that Alaska may have something to offer to us, or at least can matter, and flat out reminds us it's there in the first place.

All of the surveys done about the country's over all feeling the last couple years is that Dems and Reps alike are very unhappy with the way things are going. I think as Palin keeps spreading her drama around McCain's campaign will be seen by a significant portion of his followers as a joke. It won't take long. But they will probably at least appear to follow still, since conservatives seem to like to pretend everything is well even when it's not. ;)

Sep. 4th, 2008 08:00 pm (UTC)
So I read a bit online today an article for People magazine that Sarah Palin did. I guess it'll be in the next edition. Anyway, she was talking about her son and what a hard time she had accepting his condition. Apparently she never told her other children until the day he was born and one of the older children looked at him and said, "Oh, it looks like he has Down's Syndrome..." Then she told them. Yes, she clearly has a strong love and respect for all of God's miracles...

I try not to judge people, even though I totally do anyway, but if you were so gung-ho about the sanctity of all human life, why would you have such a problem accepting that your child has a condition or issue that will require extra attention? I mean I know it's tough and all that, and it's not what any parent expects when they get pregnant, they expect a perfect baby. But she talked about how she hid the pregnancy for the first several weeks from friends and family after finding out about it and we have already discussed how she basically pawned him off on the eldest daughter. The whole article just really didn't make me feel any sort of sympathy for her or make her come across as a caring, sympathetic person at all.

Here's the link to the article for anybody who is interested.